A
You sit there and when you're writing up budgets, you wonder, okay, how much money do we need. Well, you need X number dollars for the recipients but you need X number dollars to administer the program. Well just ridiculous.
B
Yeah.
A
This is ridiculous.
B
It's sad.
A
It is, it's pathetic. I mean, there's got to be a different way. There's got to be a better way. But it'll never happen. I mean, these --
B
Yeah.