A
That's a thing to consider is to,
B
They, they really get hot don't they?
A
Yeah. And they, they dull after awhile. Especially, I did some cabinets in, uh, ash and oak --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and, uh, that, that wears a bit down. We remodeled and saved a bunch of really nice ash cabinets, uh --
B
Uh-huh.