A
Okay, for as far as, um, I would think the, probably the, uh, worst substance that's probably, um, or, started to say the, uh, what causes the most air pollution is probably the car --
B
Probably so,
A
-- and, uh, whether or not, um, they'll ever get into like huge transit systems into big cities where people would all travel on a high speed, uh, train or, or something like that or,
B
Yeah, it'll be hard to get people to give up their mobility.
A
Yeah, that's exactly it, and that's what we're finding, um, here, where we're at, in Minneapolis area, is that people don't want to carpool --
B
Uh-huh.