A
Yeah, and institutionally, like here at the university, oh if there is a cut back, well gee, it's not where it necessarily where it's needed, it's where it's most expedient which,
B
Expedient, yeah that's exactly it. Yeah, where the most dollar, where, where you know it cuts back the most.
A
Well, in one sense for us, it's where it makes the least noise which means it's --
B
Oh.
A
-- often the lowest support type roles.
B
Oh. See, yeah.