A
Uh-huh.
B
-- for example. Probably not, not as bad as Detroit.
A
Uh-huh. I don't think it's as bad as L A either.
B
No.
A
We, I don't think we have as much of the gang problem as a lot of the other cities have.
B
Yeah, that seems to be true. Um, yeah, if you've ever been to like New York City and --