B
But the whole phenomena of him coming out of, uh, literally nowhere and no party. Uh, at least, no apparent party support on either side is --
A
Huh.
B
-- pretty interesting.
A
Yeah, I have not even heard, believe it or not, of that person.
B
Uh-huh.
A
I'm not kidding. When you, when you said it, it was kind of like a surprise.