A
Yeah.
B
You know, someone who, uh, who was a real activist but then took up the cause. Uh, kind of gave up, you know, because he did not think anything was happening, and so, uh, it was kind of fun.
A
Yeah. And I wondered who it was too.
B
I do not know for sure, but there are certain, uh, qualities that suggest it could be he. Because they were, uh, they were suggesting that this Ben was something of a recluse. That he had stopped writing and had stopped, you know, and that is true for Ellison. He, he wrote that one book and a few essays and that is about it.
A
Huh.
B
And, uh, has pretty much dropped out of public life. But he is still alive and that, you know, that is what makes it so interesting.