A
Yes, oh there's no question that, that they, that, uh, you know, they have, you know, all kinds of cradle to grave, uh, programs, welfare programs providing for everyone some way. I, I, I, however the question is is that making the difference.
B
Oh, I, I don't know. But we have a lot of welfare programs and --
A
Oh.
B
-- if both do and they tend to have less crime, you wonder if that has anything to do with it then, you know, or is it, in our society, people are brought up over here thinking that, you know, everybody owes them something.
A
Um, I think, I think that idea is even, even more common in Western Europe.
B
Oh, do you?