B
Uh-huh.
A
and that they may have been forced, I'm not that familiar with their future, but I, you know, I, it's easy to believe that they were probably more forced into a pact than, uh, a volunteer or willingness to join.
B
Yeah.
A
But,
B
There, there was the whole thing was put together, you know, by force. There's, there's no, no real question about that.
A
Uh-huh.