A
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
B
And, they, they pay him as a consultant but he doesn't get any health benefits, he doesn't get, well --
A
Um.
B
-- we don't care about retirement benefits. He doesn't get, um, vacation benefits and --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- he does a lot of things that get factored into somebody else's salary.