B
Both?
A
-- really, the, th-, on the public T V, you know, MACNEIL LEHRER --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- is one, is an hour's program that I always, if, if I watch any news program, it will be MACNEIL LEHRER.
B
Uh-huh.
A
And, and occasionally C SPAN. I, I like a, I saw the, uh, the, uh, the, the tapes that were, that were run of Marion Berry's drug bust was, the whole thing was, was run on that and --