A
Right.
B
Madonna could start playing folk music and folk music would be huge just because Madonna does it, so --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- it's, it's, it's really backwards how things are working now but,
A
Yeah, i-, i-, it's the artist, not the merit.
B
Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know, I, I don't know that that's, I don't think that's a good thing at all, but that's, that's what the, point we've reached, so I don't know how --