B
you, from the minute that you walk in until, yo-, until you leave, your, your competing against somebody else or your competing against, uh, a system or, or something,
A
Right.
B
you know, and then, a lot of the-, there is a personality type I believe that is really noncompetitive. They're cooperative rather than competitive,
A
Uh-huh.
B
and when they get into a real competitive system they just say, oh well, what the heck,
A
Uh-huh.