A
And so it's like the same thing with I B M. You know, so they have this think tank. And they got to come up with ideas. But, see, uh, the, the thing is, that I B M is so stabilized that everybody will buy their stuff.
B
Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've got a, they've got basically a, uh, you know, a lock on a lot of the market.
A
Yeah.
B
And a lot of times you figure, you know, with the support that they provide, you know, people generally go with that because they figure that the, you know, you probably won't get fired for getting I B M material. Whereas if you try something different, they'll --
A
And it fails and you're dead.
B
-- they'll say yeah, why didn't you buy, why didn't you try something more mainline.