B
Yeah.
A
That takes a lot of time.
B
That's great that he has a lot of hobbies and stuff.
A
Yeah. And he used to paint, um, a long time ago, but I think he's stopped pretty much now.
B
Oh.
A
But outside of, outside of art class in, in school, I, I stopped doing most of that, unless I, I mean, like he has a computer, and I use, um, the graphics --