B
-- and, uh, I saw on T V, they had a program on, uh, credit cards and they're supposed to, I don't know if it was Tennessee or Arkansas or some, some other state had a Visa card that was the lowest one in the country. And I --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- didn't write it down at the time and then I went and looked and, to see what my visa was and I think it's eighteen percent or something --
A
Um.
B
-- so, think I want to find something that has a lower --
A
Yeah.