A
-- see, now that's, that's, that's really a sad situation.
B
And so the drain on the family.
A
Yeah, really, you know.
B
And when the kids have kids come, you know, she's always saying, you know, why do they have to be here, why can't they send them home, it's too noisy and --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- she'll say that to the kids ' friends.