B
-- which he started watching and, other than that, I mean, there was basically, there was not educational T V or --
A
Um.
B
-- uh, you know, you got some cartoons and that was it, but they, they were never that interested in it anyway. They'd rather, I mean, they'd take their trucks out in the backyard, you know --
A
Right.
B
-- go out and play and stuff. But, we always did, uh, oh, just, you know, to the park for walks --
A
Uh-huh.