B
Uh-huh.
A
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B
Yeah, but, so what else do you think is important?
A
Well the, uh, that's maybe the majority of the importance, I guess. Yeah, because my perspective is from an institution, uh, the, there is not much incentive for innovativeness --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- because the limitation for reward is very severe --