B
-- p-, pa-, programs person's involved in and after that, you have to be out in the real world and have to be able to support yourself --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- and if you go in an area that there is just not much of a job market --
A
Uh-uh.
B
-- jeez, if that's,
A
Uh-huh, like a fine arts education, I,