B
That's right.
A
So, you know, it's, it's very hard to say, you know, this is what we should cut.
B
Yeah, it's really, that is the, especially that defense, cuts in the defense is really a Catch twenty-two --
A
MUMBLEx.
B
-- double whammy, because like you say, if you cut defense, well, that's great, that's going to lower our national expenditures, but then you're going to have people on welfare and they're not --
A
Who aren't contributing.