A
Yes.
B
-- for about, uh, I don't know, eight or nine years.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Seems like it went through a spell there where families weren't that big a deal. Parents kind of went and did their thing, kids did their thing.
A
Well, that's no, that's exactly what I was going to say. Of, of course, I find now that I spend more time with my grandchildren in --
B
Yes, uh-huh.