B
Huh.
A
and I sort of, I see perspectives on all sides. Um, and I've re-, have no hope for solutions. But, uh, I do keep myself somewhat abreast of the issue. I have worked with, uh, uh, a little bit with refugees from,
A
Southeast Asia, uh, who've come over. Uh, you know, to escape the genocide programs that are over there. And seen, you know, heard about some of the problems that they've had. And I'm also fairly sensitive to the issues about how open should the borders be. Because I, in general, like a smaller rather than a larger population,
B
Uh-huh.
A
to the land area.
B
Uh-huh.