B
but there's a surprising number that are still around that aren't, that don't have those, so that's an alternate means of dealing with,
A
Uh-huh.
B
but, um, I'm trying to think of what else I've got. Uh, since I'm, um, a therapist and all, I've done recently a lot of research into some of the twelve step groups. So, I've got all the different alcoholics, what they call the blue, the blue book, the big book,
A
Yeah.
B
and all the O A literature and all the CODA literature, so I'm trying to get fami, more familiarized with that because I refer clients and different groups and, uh,
A
Uh-huh.