B
So, I guess that's a big change in terms of, just, um, the attachments that women feel like they need to have, the dependency,
A
Yeah, yeah,
B
their self-identity is stronger.
A
it's, it's just really not there anymore.
B
Yeah.
A
And that, that has to do with, you know, the women getting out and other women seeing, uh, women seeing other women, you know,