B
I'm not really into what they're doing --
A
Yeah.
B
-- per se, and I think there's just too many, too many levels of bureaucracy. I think it can be, can be managed by less, uh, less levels.
A
Yeah, yeah. Well, I know any time there's, there's a big, uh, budget cut, you know, I work with the state, and any time there's, there is a budget cut or crunches, it's always the small guy that, that gets hurt.
B
Right.
A
It's never the, uh, the person that's making a hundred thousand there. It's always the person that's making the least amount, and --