A
Yeah, well, I've never tried any other kinds of painting besides on a surface like the house --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- like to paint a picture or anything. I don't know, I can't think of anything else to say about painting.
B
Yeah, that, uh.
A
It hurts your back, and it hurts your arm.
B
Yeah, you know it. I get a so-, I get a sore neck from looking up all the time, yeah, things like that --