A
Yeah.
B
-- which is, which is very close to camping.
A
Is it? Uh-huh.
B
Yeah. You know, I, uh, camped in the Boy Scouts and, you know, my dad and I went out sometimes but --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- uh, even my first, uh, eight or nine years of working, I camped almost all of the time because I was in construction.