B
-- why you can't breathe and this and that, and that's no fun. And it's so hard to get past that for a lot of people.
A
Right, that's, I never got past that stage.
B
Yeah, the ex-, the, uh, weight lifting on the other hand is actually, you know, I think I look better.
A
Right.
B
I have just a, I don't, I'm not a huge person, I'm just a regular looking guy, but just going to lift weights on occasion with my wife, and my wife thinks the same thing about both me and herself --
A
Uh-huh.