B
-- for about, uh, I don't know, eight or nine years.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Seems like it went through a spell there where families weren't that big a deal. Parents kind of went and did their thing, kids did their thing.
A
Well, that's no, that's exactly what I was going to say. Of, of course, I find now that I spend more time with my grandchildren in --
B
Yes, uh-huh.
A
-- detail. I know more about them and watch their growth and how they improve and, and learn much more so than my own kids. When, when your own children are growing up, you just take them for granted and you go ahead and do your thing and,