A
and, and there's probably, there's easily probably six or seven times that amount being spent on the bureaucracy.
B
Yeah, no doubt.
A
You know, it's, it's, it's totally ridiculous, and now, I, I, I, uh, started out when I first got in graduate school I was going into public administration, and, uh, quite honestly I just got so fed up with it I just couldn't stand it any more.
B
Is that right,
A
Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of thing you look at.
B
Yeah.