B
Um.
A
-- uh, ribbons. Um. I really wanted to do, you know, so many of them now have the ribbons where, I'm not sure how they do it, but the ribbons, they make them, they like. I don't know how to explain it. They make them hard, you know?
B
Like fabric that's been stiffened.
A
Yeah.
B
Yes.
A
I've never done that, and those are so neat. I mean, I would really like to do those