B
He, he had lost every other office that he had, you know, he was appointed a couple of times to, like, uh, uh, state legislator.
A
So you really know a lot of his background.
B
Yeah. Then, then when he finally, you know, did win an election, uh, you know, it was the presidency. Yeah.
A
It was the big one. It's the one that everybody wants. Yeah.
B
Yeah. But,
A
Whether or not I, you know, you look at all these candidates that want to become president. I really have to ask them why, you know.