A
Uh-huh. Yeah, the Mother's Day Out programs, and that's where Shannon had started, in a Mother's Day Out program --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and, uh, the churches always have I think, a, a pretty good program, and you have to make sure that you, um, that you apply pretty early, because they do have, a lot of places have very long waiting lists.
B
Uh-huh.
A
And, um, and another question to ask is if they're, um, state certified --
B
Okay.