B
So,
A
Let's see, uh, what else about this, uh, it, it seems like T I is pretty cut and dried with two, like, two or three levels.
B
Uh-huh.
A
That there's the t-, upper management that always wears gray suits.
B
Uh-huh.
A
And the people that don't, uh, I would, if you, if I want to say don't have power or don't have authority or whatever --