B
Now, are they, are they rehabilitative or, or not.
A
Now that's all fine and well and, and, uh, good philosophical. But if you're involved yourself, personally --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- uh, I know I have a friend whose, uh, son was murdered, uh, on the night before his sixteenth birthday. And let me tell you, uh, I, I knew them personally, uh, not intimately, but quite well and, uh, you're talking about real trauma. I mean trauma that extends beyond the counting of bodies.
B
I can imagine.
A
The father, you know, of course, a parent losing a teenage child is about as bad as it could possibly get, I think, in terms of psychological impact.