A
Huh-uh.
B
Uh, that Shamir can't, can't retain his leadership if he, if he backs down the slightest bit so, uh, I just don't see us, I don't think there's anybody of, of major stature on the scene of, like the great statesman of the past,
A
Huh-uh. Huh-uh
B
or at least we thought they were. I'm not for sure that they were. They seem to have gotten us into some of these messes.
A
Huh-uh. Well, do you think the U S should even be involved? I mean, as the world leader in the sense trying to resolve these issues or should we have just stayed out of it?
B
Well, I wish we could stay out of it, but the oil is not going to allow us to. We absolutely need that oil. That's the major thing. If we didn't need the oil and if we didn't have the ties with the Israelis, we could probably stay out of it.