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the weird thing is, is that Gorbachev is the one that opened the floodgates, as far as with glasnost and poistro-, perestroika and stuff, and I think he's got between the Old Guard and,, and the new, uh, glasnost. Uh, I think it's kind of escalated to a point where it's out of control.
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Uh-huh.
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And I think he had to pull in the reins the only way he knew how, in order to keep the peace on, peace on both sides. So I think that's where you know,, kind of where he's stuck. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. Uh, I understand.
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And that's the, that's the situation that he finds himself in, and you know, he's a tough guy, I mean, he's been through it. So I have no doubt that he'll, I mean, I, I think overall he's been a, a, good figure for the Soviet Union. I mean, I think his intentions and his ideals are, are uh, well intentioned.