B
Yeah. Uh, I guess we're here, this is the university that has, for years had the, the car, that, uh, will travel the farthest on, uh, on a small quantity of gas, our engineering students.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Uh, in competitions and that's the kind of thing that also you see, uh, if you can see the kinds of achievements that have been made by students as well as graduates --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- can give you idea of the character of the school. Uh, whether you, you know, in one sense, whether you've got a spirit of innovation and excellence or whether you've got a, a spirit of, somewhat unkind, but --
A
Uh-huh.