B
Yeah, he published a paper, uh, couple of years ago, I think, didn't he, well, one that I read. Does he publish a little, quite a bit?
A
Uh, somewhat and he has, he has some like different programs out, like I don't know what they're called, but they're like, and he has like little ani-, stuffed animals with them and --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- like little cards and stuff. I don't know that,
B
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, he has a test, he has a testing, yeah, a testing battery. He uses real, yeah,
A
Right.