B
Yeah, that was, but then you also have things where you, uh, where they broadcast the Clarence Thomas hearings basically the whole length of them which I thought was r-, really good.
A
Oh, yeah, the N P R doing that, yeah, I know, I had, uh, some visitor and he was just in-, just, I don't know, fixated on that, you know, just listened to it --
B
Uh-uh.
A
-- constantly. Uh, and I guess that's good when it's live, if you, if you'll really want that, but that's not really providing you news.
B
Right.
A
It's, it's more like a media event rather than --