B
Um.
A
-- uh, uh, history with them --
B
Right.
A
-- they're more than willing to do that.
B
Um, I might try that because I, I have one card that I've had for about, uh, I don't know, nine or ten years.
A
Yeah, in fact, that's, that's what this guy, you know, he wrote a book on it and he says that's, you know, he's tried it sev, with several of his cards --