A
-- Abraham Lincoln. You know, teaching himself to read. He didn't go to college. He didn't, you know, do all the other things that, uh, you know, you would think that was real popular to do and to get po-, politically involved in and have money. He didn't come --
B
Uh-huh. Yeah.
A
-- from money. Uh, and now it's,
B
And, and yet even he was a, a consummate politician in the sense that, uh, not only did he, uh, fail in business twice with bankruptcy and failure --
A
Uh-huh, sure.
B
-- but he lost some eighteen elections before he finally won one.