B
But, uh, it wasn't necessarily, I mean, you know, some people had been there a long time.
A
Yeah, we are seeing that here as well. Like in some of the large oil companies. There has been massive lay offs.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Uh, so I, I think there it's probably a major distinction between institutions and the corporate world --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- in, uh, institutions are slower to react both on the growth side and then also on the reduction side where the businesses, we need to cut back, that's what we do.