A
That's true.
B
And they're going to be really struggling and I don't think that America is currently the type of environment where struggling up from the bottom is necessarily considered to be good.
A
Right, right.
B
I mean, it's no longer the, the, uh, the accomplishment that it, that it once was and not that many people are really trying I don't think.
A
Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of scary. Huh. Well that's true. But, I, it's just very, very different and I guess every ten years it's just been very different.
B
Yeah.