B
-- penalties. Yet, on the other hand, uh, I don't know, I mean, there is things that seems like it's, it's, it's the right thing to do. Now, you know, I mean somebody, a s, s, serial killer or somebody goes in and machine guns, you know, fifty, fifty children in a school yard, you kind of, I don't know. What about yourself?
A
I, uh, I have the same dilemma, I think. Uh, it's, you know, it seems right sometimes and then other times, you don't know.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Uh,
B
I mean, people, like, I, it's been, I mean, like the Arab societies and stuff end up, uh, having e, effective, effective punishments and, and they're extremely severe. Uh, I, you know, I think to a certain degree, the reason that it, it doesn't serve as a deterrent, uh, may be because y-, you never know if it's going to be a, applied. Right, un-, unlike, uh, like in, in Arab societies. If you get, get caught stealing, they chop off your hand and --
A
Right.