B
I used a tire chain and the bottom of a Dutch oven.
A
Well, I'm impressed.
A
My mother-in-law and my, well, they've always done a lot of camping. I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky and there wasn't, I don't know, but we just didn't get out. My mother and my father split up when we were young, so, and my mother wasn't into that, and that's who I stayed with.
B
Uh-huh.
A
So we didn't do much outdoors stuff, except swimming --
B
Uh-huh.