A
Right. I mean, you even see people on a small scale cheating when they have certain positions, you know what I mean?
B
Right.
A
Little bitty, little bitty positions in your own home town, and they'll cheat somehow or, you know, bend the rules, use their power. So maybe it's just man's nature.
B
We had, uh, here in Oklahoma we had a few years ago a major, uh, corruption on, on our county commissioners --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- and there were several counties, uh, including the one I was in, that lost every one of their county commissioners and,