A
-- and save and, and, and get.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Also, my, my brother, um, he's a, he's a medical doctor right now. He had to, you know, once he got past his undergraduate and graduate degree, he had to take out some loans, and he's, he's working to pay those off.
B
Yeah.
A
So I, I think that the, uh, you know, once you get past, uh, the initial stages of it, that there's different options you can use and, and, uh --
B
Yeah.