A
Why don't you go ahead and start.
B
Okay. Well I think the court systems could stand some improvement. Uh, trial by jury is good but a lot of time i-, a lot of cases, uh, is circumstantial evidence that, that convicts a person, which I don't think is all the time good. Because sometimes it's hard to get all the facts and to prove a person innocent, I mean prove a person guilty if you don't really know or you don't really have an eyewitness. And how can you convict somebody on circumstantial evidence is beyond me. I don't know.
A
So you think if, if trials were held by judges or experts, that they, they would tend not to, uh, admit, not to convict people on circumstantial evidence?
B
I think so.
A
You know, I, I attended a trial in, uh, Germany when I was a student and, uh --
B
Uh-huh.