A
-- uh, I don't always succeed at that. I usually keep one with a low interest rate, and I put things on there that I think I'm not going to get to --
B
Right.
A
-- and then I have another one, but for the most part, our mortgage and our utilities at this point, we're in a new home, and, uh, they take a pretty big chunk compared to what they used to --
B
Yeah.
A
-- so I'm still getting used to that, but we make sure that we just do not buy unless we really can see how we're going to pay for it ahead --
B
Right.