B
Exactly.
A
And, and, but of course most time, most of the time management has a hard time distributing or getting the word out to the people who must know. And, you know, if you don't really count. If you're not part of the program you might not get told for months. Or you might, you know, if it doesn't impact you directly. Or if your management doesn't think that. But, but regard to benefits. You know, most companies have, most big organizations have decent, you know, benefits like retirement and that sort of thing. In the private sector I would think that one of the major, uh, situations, especially when you reach, you know, the, the mid-fifties, wa, is keeping a job until you retire.
B
A-, right.
A
And engineers are, uh, are baggage to most, uh, uh, as they get older, to, to most companies. And, uh, it's very much like the military, it windows out. You know, you, you think well, boy, I'm getting more money and I'm getting more responsibility, I'm doing this. But as you climb up that tree, pretty soon you're, the, the branches get smaller on the top of the tree --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and pretty soon somebody falls off. I, I've fallen off twice in the private sector.