B
It hasn't MUMBLEx.
A
Exactly, it depends on whether one talks physical or, or sort of cultural. Culturally, I mean, it's obviously changed a lot. Because it's more of a survival city, but the buildings are still intact and still beautiful, you know, you know. There was garbage on the corner when I got there and there's garbage when I left. But I mean, it's just a different cultural aspect. I mean, the trucks don't come daily and you really don't want the garbage in your house, so. And, I mean, I traveled in the area, too. And, um, so that many of the countries Turkey and Syria are the same as they were for traveling.
B
That's one part of the world, I've been to north Africa a lot but not, um, I haven't been to Beirut or Syria or Baghdad,
A
Yeah. I was never able to go to Baghdad. It was, I never could get a visa. So even before, so even when things were good in the Middle East, Americans weren't really given visas to go into Baghdad.
B
Right.
A
And, um, but it's, it's a very beautiful part, very interesting historically, of course, which was my interest MUMBLEx art history.