A
Yeah, and, and they spent a lot of time like outside with us and stuff, but, you know, my dad had his own business and it was easier for them to do that, but, I, I don't know, it was, I guess I didn't realize what a luxury it was at the time.
B
I, I think kids now a days are raised on T V. I mean that's, that's almost like a surog,
A
Yeah.
B
T V -s a surrogate parent.
A
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
B
And not a, and not a very good one at that.