A
Yeah, and, um, I guess just, just the change,
A
from the rat race.
B
Now, do you usually, like do you usually go and there's lots of other people around, or is it pretty much isolated.
A
No, it's, uh, it's pretty isolated, um, and to me, I like that, I guess, too, although there are people, I mean, you know, it's really hard to get away --
B
Yeah.
A
-- and I guess when, when we did sites in, in the Middle East, of course it was with a group, in order to make it safe --