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and they were just really coming down on him because of some of the things he was, just some of the things that he believed in, some of his morals. For instance, uh, they asked him if he spanked his kids, and he said `` You bet, I believe in discipline ''. And people, I, I, I, I guess they confus, confused discipline with punishment.
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Yeah.
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You know.
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Yeah.
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And, just, it seems anymore that, uh, if, if you have, you know, this type of a moral stance, that people come down on you. It's like, you know, hey, everybody has to be free to do their own thing. And I disagree, and I think that's really contributing to this high rate of crime.
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Yes, yes. Well, I mean, I, I guess what I wanted to say and I stopped, uh, I do not know, I got diverted, was that, that, uh, there's so mu, there's so much of a return from pris-, to prison that the rehabilitation programs seem to be a failure. And, and that is not emphasized. I recognize there's, there's over crowding problems and, and since we have decided to put everybody in jail that commits a crime now, that that's complicated the entire process.