A
Yeah.
B
And, just, it seems anymore that, uh, if, if you have, you know, this type of a moral stance, that people come down on you. It's like, you know, hey, everybody has to be free to do their own thing. And I disagree, and I think that's really contributing to this high rate of crime.
A
Yes, yes. Well, I mean, I, I guess what I wanted to say and I stopped, uh, I do not know, I got diverted, was that, that, uh, there's so mu, there's so much of a return from pris-, to prison that the rehabilitation programs seem to be a failure. And, and that is not emphasized. I recognize there's, there's over crowding problems and, and since we have decided to put everybody in jail that commits a crime now, that that's complicated the entire process.
B
Yeah.
A
What I also think that, I guess it's the reflection of the society where, where we have so much more mobility and less attachment to, uh, you know, it does not seem to be any responsibility to the community where you, where you live or. I do not mean respons-, attachment and responsibility, I guess I mean any sort of,
B
Well, nobody feels responsibility to do something. It's like, oh boy, I wish they would stop doing that.