A
That is right, so it's, it's one that you can live through. And I,
B
Right.
A
think that that's the way that we looked at it in our beginnings when my husband was in graduate school that there was a light at the end of that tunnel. You know,
B
Sure.
A
that that it was worth it to save and to not have, uh, something and, uh, in return know that something better was going to be at the end of it so --
B
Yeah, that's true.