A
I beg your pardon.
B
McCullum is.
A
Yeah, yeah. I know that when James was with Continental Steel, McCullum was part of that, and, and that's good. But I also heard, for instance, like, uh, my friend's daughter was on it through Texas Instruments, and she was on that Kaiser Permanente --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and they had screwed up her appointment, and when she went in, she had to take whichever doctor was available, and they, she would have had to wait like two months to get the doctor she wanted.
B
Well, but that's --