A
Uh-huh.
B
-- you know, graphics programs and simply make all of our slides, some of them I do on a Sun, some I do on an X T --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- now maybe we don't call these personal computers, um, I started out with, you know, an I B M P C back in the, you know, about a year after they came out --
A
Yeah.
B
-- and, you know.