A
But, on the other side of it is it's, it's basically the, the problem is within the, in the society --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and the society's views and, well, uh, since now I'm in my mid-forties, when I was in grad school or when I was an undergraduate growing up in a more rural area --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- I thought, you know, crime was, was reasonably unknown --
B
Yeah.