A
Uh-huh.
B
-- uh, just real careful with the money, you know. What little we have, so, that's what I do.
A
Yes, it's pretty straightforward. It's almo-, I can't imagine having to go into real complicated stuff and making --
B
No.
A
-- you know, fancy budgets. It seems like if you're getting to that level, y-, you're not in real good control.
B
Uh-uh. You know, I mean, I, I, I've never liked credit cards --