B
-- producing graduates.
A
Yeah.
B
Uh, you know, as sort of some development and some training, uh, like it's easy enough to crank out graduates, but to really challenge them --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- and, uh, and that can vary between colleges, and faculties even, as to how, you know, what the attitude towards achievement is.
A
Uh-huh.