A
And, uh, and we found that, uh you know, it was a very liberal kind of community. But the, uh, I, I really feel that, that the law enforcement community, uh, you know, puts these people behind bars and then they, they, uh, uh, you know, lawyers, these lawyer groups get together and they, uh, they, I think, extend beyond the normal, uh, appeal process. Uh, you know, and just drag these, this guy, uh, his, his, uh, ultimate, uh, demise out for ten or fifteen years. Uh, and I, I think that, uh, that there's something that has to be changed in the system to, to do that. I think capital punishment, uh, uh, was or probably stringent enough but I think the appeal process is really getting in the way.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Do, do you feel as though there should be, uh, more, uh, was or, or more, uh, you might say transgressions that would be enforceable by, uh, by, uh, uh, capital punishment?
B
Well I think that currently the way the law stands isn't so much that the laws are enforceable or not, it's more they're not enforcing the death penalty itself. It's at that point where they're saying like here you're, you're going on death row but you'll stay there for twenty years.
A
Uh-huh.
B
And nothing is being done about it. Uh, the laws exist and MUMBLEx are frequently upheld in, in, uh, in Appeals Court just because of technicalities and because of maybe small little holes that their defending attorney can find. And it's, it's really getting out of hand MUMBLEx in many states.