B
And you don't have an annual fee there, and that helps.
A
Oh, yes. Uh, we used to have, you know, like several, but right now, we're just more or less at American Express,
B
Uh-huh.
A
you know, and that way we can go ahead and pay it off when it comes in.
B
Yeah, that's one way to do it, because that, that forces you to pay for it --
A
Yeah.