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Uh,
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I mean, people, like, I, it's been, I mean, like the Arab societies and stuff end up, uh, having e, effective, effective punishments and, and they're extremely severe. Uh, I, you know, I think to a certain degree, the reason that it, it doesn't serve as a deterrent, uh, may be because y-, you never know if it's going to be a, applied. Right, un-, unlike, uh, like in, in Arab societies. If you get, get caught stealing, they chop off your hand and --
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Right.
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-- and you walk around the rest of your life with one hand and everybody knows exactly what, what for.
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Right.
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Uh, and, you know, and here, with our court system and, and ways of sort of screwing it around and stuff you can, you can kind of always count on the fact, or, or there is a good chance you're going to get off.