B
Yeah, you figured it was like Omaha, right?
A
Yeah.
B
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A
You know.
B
No, it's, uh, it's not Newark, but, uh, yeah it's got problems.
A
Yeah, I wonder, I mean, I wonder what, what really is the answer. I mean, it seems like our, our, the prison systems, we can't seem to decide whether or not it's a reform system or penal system.