A
Uh, and benefits, through the government are, uh, really, uh, they just, uh, they're not the greatest. Uh, I, before I, I, uh, uh, got my degree --
B
Uh,
A
-- I'm, uh, c-, a computer scientist --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and before I got my degree, I had, uh, done paralegal work --
B
Uh-huh.