A
Uh-huh.
B
You know, I'm trying to make it with my job, and make, you know, myself okay and make my --
A
That's right.
B
-- family okay. And it's so hard to, you know, try and be one of the movers and shakers, I guess you would call them.
A
Really, I know, I know.
B
Uh-huh.