B
Right.
A
-- it's a real, real, they're, they're real trade-offs there.
B
Right. Yeah, but, and, and you sit there and wonder, um, I guess this doesn't really have to do with taxes but just money in general, and, and, um, wondering if you're going to have enough when you retire to live on.
A
Uh, I, that's, that's a scary thing that there's no, no real knowing about. Uh, the, the there's a lot of inflation risk that isn't taken care of in most private pension plans.
B
Uh-huh, yeah, that's true. But, um, are you involved with the legislature up there, or which,
A
No, I'm at the National Institute of Standards and Technology.