A
Uh, we are, I guess, the only one of the major Western nations currently with capital punishment.
B
I know they use it very, um, they do not have it in Europe, as I understand.
A
No, at least not in Western Europe. Probably not in Eastern Europe these days either. Um, there are many reasons for it, but they, they certainly have lower crime rates and lower murder rates.
B
Yes, you wonder what their, you know, how they manage to do that.
A
Well, in part it's, uh, it's the nature of societies, perhaps more homogenous society, in many cases, uh, arguably, if arguably is because of, of, uh, of, uh, welfare state benefits. Though I tend to be, we tend to be skeptical.
B
Well, England has, uh, don't they have a large, fairly large welfare?