B
-- uh, and I think, you know, it got off to a really radical, it has a radical fringe to it that, uh, I've sort of backed away from.
A
I think all things get started sometimes in that manner.
B
Yeah.
A
You know, they come in that way.
B
And, to make a change, you know, you have to make a splash.
A
Uh-huh, uh-huh.