B
Well, what is, see the thing is, is when a lot of things become acceptable practice --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- uh, it's hard to discern the bor-, what has become muddy as to what is ethical and what is not ethical. And then --
A
Exactly.
B
-- someone blows the whistle and says, oh, this is not ethical and yes I did it too.
A
Yeah.