A
Oh, yeah.
B
Much less for criminals that should be indicted.
A
It may have started with HUD too. I noticed that HUD was in terrible shape and that was property and, uh, they lost a lot of money there, and then some of these big, these rich people started to, even Murchison here, who owned the Cowboys, had a lot of property down in Florida. This was several years ago and he lost, you know, all, all of his money before he died.
B
Yeah.
A
Not all of it, I don't know how much he lost, but, uh, they were just buying property and buying all kinds of real estate and thinking that there was a bottomless pit and it always would, it always would increase, you know, it always would, uh, uh, be more than what you paid for it and they just never even got conservative with our money at all.
B
Yeah. It, everyone forgets whose money it was.