A
I don't think so.
B
Right.
A
Uh, hearing a lo-, there's always, they're always laying people off, which is another benefit that you can have other than salary is trade that off for security.
B
Is it, I mean, does it, they must have pretty good severance, though, huh?
A
Oh, I don't know, we don't, we haven't been doing layoffs. We've been doing, uh, down sizing with, uh, getting rid of extra layers of management. And, uh, I don't know what they do for those people.
B
Mean the, the, the management they get rid of?