B
-- a few years back. It's in the middle of Michigan and --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- so that was nice. I like, um, driving to different cities because of the scenery, so that was nice.
A
So you, most of yours is kind of driving and,
B
Yeah, we've, I've been all over the states except for pretty much east. Um, it's very pretty driving like, um, up north in Wisconsin too.
A
Um, how, how far do you usually end, end up driving just,