B
Uh-huh.
A
That's, uh, there're a lot of people who really run, my boss drives quite a ways to work, and he's got just enormous debts, and he's, but, I mean, what do you say, it's like, Shucks, Boss, I'm sure sorry you've got all that debt. Well, he's had, had two kids in college and, and this kind of thing, and that --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- I think that the whole credit card issue, I think they certainly encourage people to run up the debts and, but I agree with you --
B
Yeah.
A
-- I don't, I MUMBLEx my debts. Well, I did buy a new house last summer.