B
-- are power,
A
see using that, yeah.
B
yes, and they abuse that.
A
And it's always been military and it's always been, and that's, that's always been the way of the world. Don't you think.
B
Which I think that that's not the, the way the majority of the people over there really are.
A
Yeah. So it's really hard, when you see the leaders, compared to the people.