A
Uh-huh.
B
-- uh, to human beings, I mean to be human and what it's like and have feelings and emotions and it's okay and I think, uh, you know on the other hand, I don't know that men have changed that much. So in, in contrast to the women's changes, uh, you know, the men stay steady,
A
Uh-huh.
B
and then the women change around them.
A
I hadn't thought much about that, but that is true. That,
B
Uh, I think men are trying.