A
-- and, uh, everyone's a manager. But nobody can get one more point to become, you know, like whatever you need to earn so much money.
B
Yeah. Since I imagine it's fairly competitive.
A
Yeah. It's like, no I, I mean, I B M is like, there's a joke about I B M which says, you know, it's like, uh, all, all the major companies get into a, a boating race, right?
B
Uh-huh.
A
And so, I B M says well we have, we have to have a team, right.
B
Uh-huh.