B
Pork barrel politics. The-, the-, there has to be some way to do it. I know state governors usually have line item vetos and, uh, I lived in Massachusetts for a while and, uh, when Dukakis vetoed certain things, there was a big uproar and wasn't necessarily so popular.
A
Yeah, but Massachusetts wasn't, when Dukakis was there, anyway, wasn't in that great shape financially.
B
D-, at least at the end.
A
Uh-huh. I mean, I don't know, I,
B
Yeah, i-, i-, they were very good at first, they were in very good financials at first and, uh, that's part of the reason he became a nominee is because things went so well. And then, of course, the bottom fell out.
A
It's, uh, I mean, it's, it's tough. I mean, there's, there's two ways you can kind of go to get out of tough financial situations. I guess you can like raise taxes and then create like job programs and whatnot or you can hope that if people keep their money that they'll spend more and create jobs and, and whatnot.