B
Uh-huh.
A
And so she basically didn't use credit cards and didn't know very much about them and how they work,
B
Huh.
A
and, and how you can use them to your advantage, and, and how, you know, you, you can do certain things with them.
B
Yeah, I always, I use everything with my Visa, and I pay it all off.
A
Yeah.