A
of just putting everything on there day after day after day and then,
B
Yeah.
A
then you really get socked to it, if you don't watch it. How, how do you look at counting credit cards?
B
We just, uh, quit using them.
A
Well, that's,
B
And they got us in trouble, we took a loan and paid them all off. We keep them, uh, we keep, uh, one gas card and, uh, and, uh, Visa just, you know, in case there's an emergency or,