A
Three or four times, yeah.
B
I mean,
A
That is true, I know. Yeah.
B
You know, the way to stop that kind of behavior is, is two-fold. One, you need to make it illegal for both parents to work while the kids are under seven. I, I think that's very important.
A
Oh, I'm, I agree very much so on that, I, yeah.
B
And then, if a parent has proved to be unfit, for any reason --