A
Uh-huh.
B
-- as well as equipment that you can buy and so forth?
A
Uh-huh, they do have, uh, mostly they have, uh, the ads on the equipment, but the whole magazine is just filled with, uh, pictures and projects that you can make yourself, and then it has all of the patterns and instructions that you would need to make a wood project, and, and then how to paint it with the tole paintings, and so, it's really a fun one. I like that.
B
Well, that's good. It's good to get use out of one.
A
Uh-huh.
B
I'm not sure that, um, in the case of NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, I mean, I read it, but then they just sort of gather dust for a --