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Tarpley, is he one?
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Pardon me?
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Tarpley?
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Yeah, Tarpley, and they both left this past year, and both of them were on playoff teams, uh, so, they benefitted tremendously by leaving the Mavericks.
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Yeah.
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And Sam Perkins, here, he's one guy I did follow from, think he was in Virginia, I can't think of what school he went to, but from. I guess he's been here about five, six, seven years in the pros. And he was, he never quite achieved the, you know, the super stardom that he had --