B
Yeah. No, I, I understand it's becoming, you know, the popular thing to do. We're not participating in that particular program at the moment, and I don't really perceive doing it unless we absolutely have to.
A
Uh-huh.
B
But, uh, I have in times past gotten into a bit of trouble with credit cards. It's just, you know, too easy to do.
A
Yeah, but I'm so glad he told me that when, that they, they got to such a point with their credit cards they didn't want to cut them up because they were afraid sometime they might actually need them.
B
That's right.
A
They paid them off, and then they stuck them in a thing of water and froze them.