B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and I look back on that, and I bought shoes. I went shopping. I did not need that money. I did not need it. I didn't need it. I shouldn't have even qualified to get it. I didn't need it. And it would have been a little rough, I might have eaten some bologna instead of roast beef out of the deli, but I did not need it. And as I look back now, now we're paying that back. I told my son, if you have to live in the ghetto to go to college, do it, but don't take out ten thousand dollars in loans. Don't do it. And I don't, I hope, don't think he'll have to do that but, I just feel like if we didn't have those loans, we could have saved in the last five years the money for that, and I believe we would have, because God's really put it in our heart not to get in debt, you know. But we have friends in church that do this on a constant basis, that are totally debt free. And they pay cash for everything they buy.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Including new vans, and, so, so I guess, I've seen it done and I know you can do it, you know. But you have to drive that old car until you get that money saved up for that new van. And that's where Americans don't like to do it. And so and we don't want to cut back our services from the government, because we're spoiled.
B
Well, I have one way to suggest reducing the budget.
A
What?