A
-- you know, before very long, because so much was going out for programs that were, it wa-, that originally it was never intended to be used for.
B
Right.
A
Or, you know, programs just weren't in existence --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and then, um, I, it sort of calmed down. I haven't heard much lately, but if you have talked about that in your classes, you know, in the last few years, I'm sure that you have heard,
B
Oh, yeah.