B
And, uh --
A
Especially for these times.
B
-- and it's, it's sor-, sort of always worked.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Uh, but that depends, you know, on the individual if they can I guess have self-control.
A
Well, that's a lot of it. Uh, I know we tried several different ways. One time we tried something that really worked but we didn't keep it up. I passed it on to a friend and she won't quit doing it. She loves it and that was the envelope system.