B
Uh-huh.
A
that have taken that approach. And, um,
B
Now do you think that's because they've realized that for whole health, that, the, you know, you have to have that combination, or that people are motivated that way so that they've incorporated that into their program.
A
Boy,
B
Do you think the program came first or the,
A
yeah, that, there's a, I, I can say there's a correlation, but I couldn't say which, which caused the other. They sort of, dev, you know, each developed a little bit and then would feed off one another and develop a little bit more, and a little bit more.