A
Uh-huh.
B
-- the, the first time I had, you know, heard, uh, his views expressed by himself. I had heard other people talk about what they thought he believed in.
A
Uh-huh.
B
But the whole phenomena of him coming out of, uh, literally nowhere and no party. Uh, at least, no apparent party support on either side is --
A
Huh.
B
-- pretty interesting.