B
I mean, it's no longer the, the, uh, the accomplishment that it, that it once was and not that many people are really trying I don't think.
A
Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of scary. Huh. Well that's true. But, I, it's just very, very different and I guess every ten years it's just been very different.
B
Yeah.
A
So. And I don't know what's going to happen. Uh, I know what I'm seeing here at m-, my job is that people are having their children much later in life --
B
Yeah, tha-,
A
-- so that they're establishing careers and they've got their homes and they've got,