B
-- the federal one's the big one. So, uh, so what do you, what do you think in the short term we should be doing to, to improve it?
A
Well, I saw a program on, uh, recently, and, and it said every time they cut, you know, like fifty-five million dollars on a certain thing, then they brag about how much money they cut, and then they go and spend that money somewhere else --
B
Right.
A
-- and that's why the budget is never balanced.
B
Right.
A
The Gramm Rudman Act didn't solve the problem. They just take all the money that they say they cut and they spend it somewhere else --