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in the middle of the night, for people can video tape them.
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Yeah, so people can just tape them I guess,
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Yeah.
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you know. But, I definitely have gotten a lot out of his lately. He's just probably been one of the most, there's an author that's in, um, that's in, uh, Arizona, who used to be in Dallas. It seems like we have a lot of these that have been in,
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Uh-huh.
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Texas, called P M Melody, who does a lot of writing on co-dependency. And she's got some fabulous workbooks out and a whole series of tapes and, uh,