B
Really.
A
-- find ways around. And there's a power structure that you have bow to and, and, it really isn't, for some people tha, who have been there for over, and over, and over, it really isn't, uh, as bad. I mean, there's, it's not that bad of a life as it should be --
B
Yeah.
A
-- b-, for the punishment aspect.
B
Yeah.
A
But the society is turned against punishment and more towards rehabilitation and --