A
-- uh, you know, things like that. So I've been looking at big corporations and saying, the big corporation that I've worked for in the past had the pension plans, had the big health, health care, uh, you had your insurance and you didn't have to pay in as much as if you go to a, a very small place. Uh, they don't have as good as insurance packages as big corporations. And,
B
Right. The only trouble we've had here in Massachusetts is the town and state employees --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- have run into problems, especially the retired ones. My father's retired from the town of Framingham --
A
Sure.
B
-- and he said that they haven't gotten a, a cost of living raise --