A
That's good.
B
And, but that hasn't always been the case. So, I'm kind of, I feel at least better now that I have finally gotten some of those things, uh, you know, in the past, and I don't have, you know, big cumulative amounts due to those charge cards, because that interest rate just is a killer.
A
Oh, and it's not deductible anymore.
B
Yeah, well, I've never been in the situation of itemizing anyhow. But, uh, pretty much when I always, I go to the grocery store or something I just always write checks.
A
Yeah. We did, we did that for a long time and it got to the point where we had no idea how much we were spending on things.
B
Hm.