A
the boom to parents and the, the shoelace department was those little Velcro tabs.
B
Oh, yeah. Yeah,
A
I think that's incredibly MUMBLEx.
B
but there's a surprising number that are still around that aren't, that don't have those, so that's an alternate means of dealing with,
A
Uh-huh.
B
but, um, I'm trying to think of what else I've got. Uh, since I'm, um, a therapist and all, I've done recently a lot of research into some of the twelve step groups. So, I've got all the different alcoholics, what they call the blue, the blue book, the big book,