B
You have got to use everything you have got just to stay where you are at.
A
Exactly. I would be very, I would like to see some numbers on that. I think that would be interesting.
B
Do you, do you have any, uh, credit union where you work or anything like that?
A
Yeah, I have a credit union.
B
Do they have a Mastercard or VISA card?
A
Yeah, they do. Uh-huh.