A
Well, yeah.
B
Once he left, you know, it's, it's just not the same, uh, it's not the same team. There's not the leadership there that they used to rely on him for.
A
Well, I think you're right and I think Isaiah Thomas would fit in Detroit and I think those things do make a difference and there are marquee players. And I think --
B
Oh, yeah.
A
-- I think Jordan and the, and the Bulls have to be, uh, considered the likely favorites. I don't know who would meet them in the west. Uh, I don't know how good Portland will turn out to be by the end of the year. They were so disap,
B
Who won that Portland game?