A
And engineers are, uh, are baggage to most, uh, uh, as they get older, to, to most companies. And, uh, it's very much like the military, it windows out. You know, you, you think well, boy, I'm getting more money and I'm getting more responsibility, I'm doing this. But as you climb up that tree, pretty soon you're, the, the branches get smaller on the top of the tree --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- and pretty soon somebody falls off. I, I've fallen off twice in the private sector.
B
Oh.
A
And, uh, and, you know, I can get up,
B
I know. It, it seems to be, be kind of, kind of scary, you know. Because you think of, uh, see my son's eighteen right now and he, he's, uh, he wants to go into engineering. And the, the, the branches of engineering that he wants to go into is now kind of open and he's interested in, basically, three different areas. But, uh, it's difficult for me to try to give him any kind of advice or to advise him or anything like that. He needs to do his own course of investigation and, and see what he can do because who knows what's going to happen in another thirty years.