A
Yes.
B
For people to, to commit the cri-, uh, to not to commit the crime is sort of gone away. People have, I do not know, they just do not care any more. The benefit, I guess, of crime outweighs what the deterrent is.
A
Uh, and yet --
B
You know, people that,
A
-- there are, there are so many, there are so many people in prison. I mean the prison population, uh, as far as I, I, uh, you know, my impression of it is that it has, that it has doubled in the last ten years and tripled in the last twenty.
B
Um.