A
Yeah. I guess one of the differences I see is, uh, working for a university, uh, there is room for advancement, but not so much so, our in, uh, quite a highly unionized environment --
B
Um.
A
-- and then also in the administrative association so there is a progressive path, but not being in the say the commercial sector, the motivation isn't there for a lot of people --
B
Um.
A
-- uh, like really,
B
Are they like pretty much train for a specific job and that what I hired for and then I, just very little variation from that.