A
Uh-huh. Sure.
B
And even in that situation, uh, the, it seems like to me from what I've read in, in the history of Russia and, and you know different authors, uh, there has always been a paranoia. They've always suspected everybody and --
A
Sure.
B
-- and that's why they put, you know, that's why they put a lot of people in prison for years and years, and that's why they put a lot of people to death.
A
Sure, that happens.
B
Yes, but Stalin was a, was a classical example I guess of that paranoia because he --