A
Oh, no, no, no. It's to defend the nation against external evils.
B
Well, that's one view. And, and, you know, and that, that's another debate. But, uh, it's, uh,
A
Well, it depends on whether you, whether we figure that we have that we have a defense oriented military or --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- an aggressive, aggression oriented military.
B
Right, right and, well, it's, it, it seems pretty aggre-, aggressive oriented, I mean, you, you look at the last mis-, military action which was in the Persian Gulf and wasn't anywhere near the United States and it was, uh, you know, it was definitely a projection of U S power on the other side of the globe, so, at, at any rate, this is getting off the topic but i-, my, my point was that there is, for people who don't want to do the military service, there, it would be neat if there were an alternative that could instill the same sort of personal discipline and sense of purpose and, uh, sense of community that the Boy Scouts,