A
Isn't that awful.
B
Because when he was at, course now it's been years now, because it was before, it was even before they had the, the designated smoking --
A
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
B
-- type stuff, you know, at T I. I forgot what, I guess it was like eighty-four, eighty-five --
A
Yeah.
B
-- something like that. And they, at that time, they had no testing whatsoever.