A
Yeah, we were an industrial giant, and now we're no-, we're not going to do it because everybody is beating us at the game. We taught them how to do it, and they, they did it better than we do.
B
Yeah.
A
Simple as that.
B
because they have the ambition, I guess.
A
yeah, simple as that.
B
Yeah, which is good for them, but on the other hand, we kind of lose out.