B
Yes, very definitely.
A
-- so it's maybe like, uh, you know, you go through college and then you maybe work for a few years and then you have your first child and, uh, you know, you, you know both sides of the coin.
B
That's right.
A
You know what it's like and how much work it takes to keep the house running smoothly, and to take care of the kids. And, and then, uh, maybe people that are just working and think, oh, you just stay at home. But then when they're in their thirties and have their first and second kid, it's like, they lose it.
B
Right.
A
They say, wow! This is harder than I thought.