A
Uh-huh.
B
And the first d-, and the first and only election he won was, uh, the presidency.
A
Yeah.
B
He, he had lost every other office that he had, you know, he was appointed a couple of times to, like, uh, uh, state legislator.
A
So you really know a lot of his background.
B
Yeah. Then, then when he finally, you know, did win an election, uh, you know, it was the presidency. Yeah.