A
All part of a good old boy network, yeah.
B
has to change, yeah.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Yeah.
A
E D S is, oh, they're better, but they're a little bit too, um, stiff collared in terms of, you know, what you want to do. They're pretty much put the, if that's where the widget goes, stick it in the hole, you know.
B
Yeah.