B
But, um, their, my sister just had a baby and they're trying to get permission for his mother to come to America to like help care for the kid and that sort of thing. And it's turned out to be sort of a horrible problem. It's just very difficult to get a woman who doesn't have a lot of assets or whatever out of China even temporarily to visit here.
A
Oh, well, then you have first in the experience on immigration.
B
Yeah.
A
Well, that is interesting.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Yeah. Well, I wonder, you know, even with those that were involved with Tienamen's Square.