A
And it's probably because I, I, I was born in the Chicago area and grew up in California, and at that point that was sort of the limit --
B
Huh.
A
-- but since then I've been abroad a lot,
B
I see. I know this isn't on our topic, but where did you grow up in California?
A
In Santa Barbara.
B
Oh, okay, because I grew up in North Hollywood, California --