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Um.
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could hardly stand it.
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I try to avoid the,
B
Yeah. I didn't think it was so great. She thought it was riveting, you know, but, I couldn't deal with that. But, um, mostly I read, I'm a marriage and family counselor and mostly I read things to do with raising kids, and now I have two little kids,
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Uh-huh.
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or co-dependency, or, you know, fifty thousand things like John Bradshaw's books on, uh, THE FAMILY and --