B
We, I guess, we were in a situation where we didn't need to be looking at, uh, two family income at the time.
A
Uh-huh.
B
And our kids were older. But I've had to deal with, uh, you know, friends of ours that have used child care and that kind of thing.
A
Right.
B
Uh, so it, my involvement hasn't been direct but still have been, you know, certainly exposed to criteria people are using.
A
Uh-huh.