B
And plus, for me, it's, uh, I mean like medical and you know, uh, benefits and dental.
A
Okay.
B
They're also important.
A
Yeah. I guess one of the differences I see is, uh, working for a university, uh, there is room for advancement, but not so much so, our in, uh, quite a highly unionized environment --
B
Um.
A
-- and then also in the administrative association so there is a progressive path, but not being in the say the commercial sector, the motivation isn't there for a lot of people --