B
-- and I just,
A
.
B
you know, I just refuse to give it to them. If I need to borrow that kind of money, I'll go to the bank and, uh,
A
Yeah, and then, you bet.
B
You know.
A
That's, uh, yeah, I, in fact, I've, I've even, uh, heard some people that have applied for credit cards with much less, uh --