A
Yeah, but we don't seem to keep them long enough, and then they learn such bad things in jail. That isn't --
B
Yeah, well.
A
-- a place of rehabilitation.
B
Yeah, that's, that's for sure.
A
Yeah, it's a tough question, isn't it, on whether, at what point do they become so detrimental to society that society can't afford to keep them around to --
B
Uh-huh.