A
gone through that, uh, I remember my parents didn't do all those type things, and so I made a special effort with my children to do things like that. And even now with my grandchildren, I feel it's a very important thing to be done.
B
Right, because if, uh, kids don't look up to you, or, or, ca, can't feel they can spend time with you, they're going to find someone else --
A
Yeah.
B
-- and uh, you know, nowadays there's a lot of people out there that you don't want your kid to, emulating or whatever.
A
Yeah. Well, I can remember one of the things I'm most proud of is, uh, when my son was, I think it was in the sixth grade, they had to write a, a little brief autobiography of themselves, and about what they had done and what they wanted to do, and I was very proud when my son wrote that he wanted to, uh, have a family and be able to help coach little league and do things like his dad had done with him.
A
A real point of pride with me.