B
Uh-huh.
A
But, but she enjoys it. She likes keeping track of all that stuff and, uh,
B
Yeah, so that's sort of related to her field a little bit.
A
Yeah sort of.
B
Yeah.
A
And we, you know, we've experimented with, with, uh, budgets, you know from time to time, uh, but, if, you know, you have to keep up with them. So a lot of times, we just, uh, just kind of play it by ear. We try to keep our, uh, our retirement and our savings kind of automated --