A
And, um, actually there's one, um, woman in our, I don't know what you'd call it, uh, institute who is a manager and, I mean, in a since, perhaps, um, a lot of, she gets protected a lot because it's almost like a token.
B
Oh.
A
And, and it's sort of unfortunate because, I think that they don't accept her technically and, but she's a good paper pusher.
B
Uh-huh.
A
And it's in a technical position really. And you know she should be more technical for what she does.
B
Uh-huh.