A
-- and religiously, it's just, it was very strange.
B
I believe it.
A
It was very interesting.
B
Yeah, yeah, I can, I can, I can believe that. Yeah, I, I don't claim to have an in-depth understanding by any means, but, uh,
A
Now I, shoot, I, I think some of these people that they claim as Middle Eastern experts don't, don't have a clue sometimes.
B
That's probably true, that's probably true.