B
Right.
A
and he spends about an hour doing that, and that's, that's pretty good quality time,
B
Right.
A
with them, and, um, but it's hard for him on Saturdays. He, he wants,
B
With all the yard work and things like that.
A
Right, he wants to run out and get things done, and so, um, I try to say, well, why don't you go fly kites or why don't you --