A
That's right, you're either liberal or you're conservative,
B
-- and that, uh, it obviously isn't working.
A
Well, I think, uh, it wouldn't hurt, and I know the Independent Party's been trying for years to get a, a, a real force in, in the, uh, in Congress, but, uh, you're right, there's just too many issues that come up that, uh, our senators and our congressmen vote on simply because it's a Democratic issue or it's a Republican issue --
B
Oh, yeah.
A
-- and if they would vote with their conscience and with what their constituents feel, I think, uh, we might have a, a lot better, a lot more efficient running government and a lot better laws passed.
B
Oh, I agree with you. Well, of course, you know, we have the national embarrassment in our state, Jessie Helms,