B
Well, I sit and design cards --
A
Oh, really?
B
-- and, uh, oh, I, I'm really into graphics, so, it, it just, I sit and learn new programs and I play,
B
and I do this, and I do that and,
A
Did you have, uh, your own business or you do that as, just on the side, or what?
B
I'm, I'm starting a side business in desk top publishing --