A
I, I have a, a couple. I have a, uh, gas card that I, that I use just for gas and --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- you know, uh, one that I use just for emergencies but,
B
Uh-huh, yeah, I h, I have, we have some, some friends that did the, exactly the same thing. They, uh, you know, they kind of overextended and borrowed and borrowed and finally they realized that they were, they were abusing them and weren't going to get out of the hole and they just cut them all up except for, for one they kept for emergencies and --
A
Yeah.
B
-- they're still paying away to get out of debt.