A
And, um, and I, I don't have one, but I have to use them,
B
Right.
A
like during, especially during my undergrad.
B
Uh-huh.
A
You, you use, um, like your first couple of years you use personal computers because, uh, you know, the software. You know, like it's easier for you to go to and run a program,
B
Uh-huh.