A
, yeah.
B
People aren't tuned in to like saving for it and then buying it, they just put it on a charge card, put it on account,
A
Huh.
B
and then pay off the bill because they want it now. It's always have to have it now.
A
Yeah, well, it didn't hurt you, did it, to, I mean, you didn't go out and charge a whole bunch and lose everything, did you?
B
, no, no, but I have had some times when I've had some pretty good balances on there and, uh, you know, I finally, you know, paid them all off and thought this is, you know, kind of nonsense. So, we don't, uh, have big balances on them at, all now we're, we're, you know, we, I use it occasionally but I pay it right off. We're ...