B
Well, the one thing I used to use a, uh, I've never used an I B M actually. I used to use a, just an Apple two E, which of course is --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- looks pretty primitive now.
A
Yeah, that's what I learned a lot of languages on, was an Apple two E in my high school.
B
But I don't have any, uh, any real programming capabilities on my, uh, Mac right now.
A
Uh-huh.