B
And it's very difficult for lay people for somebody who might just, you know happen to be selected in our jury, to understand what we're talking about.
A
Well, I do think that the cases like the, uh, oh, say something like Texaco versus Pennzoil,
B
Uh-huh.
A
or, or the Texaco Pennzoil problem,
B
Uh-huh.
A
uh, is ridiculous for people just taken off the street to understand, and,