B
-- I just, I don't know. I think it's definitely time for a change, but I don't see anybody, I don't understand, too, why we have to have Democrats and Republicans, and it's either one way or the other, this --
A
Right.
B
-- it s, seems to be we're turning into a black and white society, you either do it this way or you do it that way, and there's no in between --
A
That's right, you're either liberal or you're conservative,
B
-- and that, uh, it obviously isn't working.
A
Well, I think, uh, it wouldn't hurt, and I know the Independent Party's been trying for years to get a, a, a real force in, in the, uh, in Congress, but, uh, you're right, there's just too many issues that come up that, uh, our senators and our congressmen vote on simply because it's a Democratic issue or it's a Republican issue --