B
Yeah. Uh, even when John Kennedy was elected, there were so many strikes against him, but there were people who believed he could make a difference.
A
Right.
B
Now, that's not to say what has transpired or what really was, I'm saying --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- that's how it was perceived.
A
that's, right, that's perception, that's true.