A
Because I know they do frequently, I mean they cover, cover it pretty heavily on television and the newspaper.
B
Uh-huh. Yes.
A
If it finally gets to that point.
B
Right, the first appeal is automatic, so that delays it for a few years just right off the bat.
A
Yeah.
B
There's, there's a lot of, you know, last minute, uh, things that happen cause a person not to,