A
Uh.
B
You know, particularly in some of the housing projects, uh, you know, that's, that tends to be where a lot of that crime is focused --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- and they've got to do more than just having, having cops there. They've got to kind of change the way people think about it.
A
Yeah, that's probably true. Um, so, um, well do you think Atlanta's as bad as most other cities?
B
Um, well, I've been to, I'd say it's, it's probably in the top, top ten in terms of crime. Um, it's nowhere near as bad as New York City --