B
Yes.
A
Uh, and occasionally I do order things from catalogs --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- over the phone. But again it's, I initiate it not the company. The other thing is though you do not have to, if you're buying something in a store and they as, and you pay for it by charge and they ask you for your telephone number, you do not have to give it. That is one, that's a law that went into effect, I don't know a year or two ago.
B
Oh, I never even knew that.
A
And, uh, you can just say I'm sorry that yo-, uh, I'm not required to give that by law and then they won't, a lot of stores will still ask.