A
Well, I, I, i-, we're at liberty to, to talk and, and meander as long as it's all on the same theme.
B
Yeah.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Well, uh, in the case of, civil, uh, things, I think maybe the, the use of the jury is very, often to the lawyer's advantage and I think that may be where jury use is overdone, I mean there are cases where they could be settled, maybe -- -- out of court a little more efficiently.
A
Right.
B
But the lawyers are really, uh, it's to their advantage to play to as big an audience, as possible -- -- so. Uh, I was wondering too, if they were thinking of about the judge making awards in civil cases --