A
And we'd usually take notes --
B
Yeah.
A
-- and, you know, the younger kids, uh, or maybe all of them needed help at one time or another.
B
Yeah.
A
And, uh, but they were usually tougher on themselves than they were on us. And they loved it.
B
I, I think that's true. I can remember times my parents would say well what do you think would be a fair punishment.