A
That's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that, I would, that would be a very scary feeling for me to know that I was, you know, juggling payments to different people --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- I guess because I never experienced it. And it's not, because you know, I'm rich or anything, it's just, a mental concept that I have.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah, that I just.
B
Well, when you, when you're getting rid of the whole credit card cycle, and if you really get into the mind set, I got really good at juggling money and basically robbing Peter to pay Paul, and it was scary, because I was so good at it.