A
-- than you're going to get out of private individuals, but, you know, I think, you know, you look at things like, you know, tax subsidies to tobacco farmers --
B
Right.
A
-- because Jesse Helms wants it that way or,
B
That's right, got to keep those farmers happy.
A
You know, and, and just tremendous amounts of, you know, so much of it, is now just going to service debt or --
B
Uh-huh.