A
Yeah. And we, we do a lot of, uh, driving. We do a lot of traveling.
B
Uh-huh.
A
By car. And so that's the only time that the, that the, uh, conversion van came in handy. But it really didn't cause our, our kids are still little.
B
Uh-huh.
A
So, uh, that was the only time we really needed it. Other than that, it got terrible mileage and.
B
Yeah. Yeah. Minivans d, do pretty well.