A
Yeah. And he used to paint, um, a long time ago, but I think he's stopped pretty much now.
B
Oh.
A
But outside of, outside of art class in, in school, I, I stopped doing most of that, unless I, I mean, like he has a computer, and I use, um, the graphics --
B
Yeah.
A
-- um, software on that, to, uh, to do figures and to look at things, you know, see how they work.
B
Right. That sounds interesting.