A
without,
B
Yeah, I, I agree with you, although I will say, I'm not sure, you know, I sometimes have a problem with some of the, especially more famous people who all of a sudden are crawling out of the woodwork to say that whatever problems they have, you know, was, was because they were abused a, abused as children. And the parents are saying, Hey, wait a minute, we didn't do anything like that --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- you know, and, and, and I guess before I'd like to see that severe of a punishment for it it has to be a, an absolute certainty --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- you know, like, uh, caught at it, or something --