A
I think that's a, a loss of civic virtue and a loss of, uh, uh, the cultural attitude that we used to have that education was first even if it wasn't our kids. I think that's, uh, that's the principal problem is that, uh, people no longer see it as, uh, as their problem and there's an immediate problem.
B
Right. It troubles me too tha-, that the priority seems to be with my particular purse strings rather than the public good and by definition, for some of us, at least, the public good includes having an educated populace and then --
A
Right.
B
-- idea that, uh, you can make a sound judgment with respect to small votes in the, at the local level or bigger votes at --
A
Yeah.
B
-- the national level. Uh, it means that you've got to be informed and you've got to have a certain level of education to do the reading --