A
and clear.
B
Yeah, the only thing we have, it to pay off is our, is a automobile loan and our house payment, and that's the only thing we ever,
A
That's good to be in that kind of shape.
B
We try to stay out of debt.
A
What are you all trying to do long term.
B
Huh. Oh it's long term. We just, he ha-, you know, his retirement plan and then to CODA and stuff like that, that's all we, and you know, we just have our life insurance for right now.