A
-- quite a bit, but -- -- as far as doing any activity, now that the grand kids are here, we all just stay around the house mostly.
B
. That's true.
A
It's too much effort to go somewhere with all the kids.
B
Oh, yes, oh, yes.
B
Boy, I know, especially when they grow up like that, so I'm trying to, these last five or six years, I'm trying to make them really special and --
A
Uh-huh.