B
Yes, you wonder what their, you know, how they manage to do that.
A
Well, in part it's, uh, it's the nature of societies, perhaps more homogenous society, in many cases, uh, arguably, if arguably is because of, of, uh, of, uh, welfare state benefits. Though I tend to be, we tend to be skeptical.
B
Well, England has, uh, don't they have a large, fairly large welfare?
A
Yes, oh there's no question that, that they, that, uh, you know, they have, you know, all kinds of cradle to grave, uh, programs, welfare programs providing for everyone some way. I, I, I, however the question is is that making the difference.
B
Oh, I, I don't know. But we have a lot of welfare programs and --
A
Oh.