A
Well, I'm sure that, uh, perhaps they're the leaders, you know, and other will, others will pick up on their example and carry it, uh, further.
B
Yeah.
A
You know, because, uh, thoughts are,
B
Well, I, I know it's har, it's a hard problem to solve because you, you know, like McDonald's has changed back and forth between paper and foam and that kind of thing,
A
Uh-huh.
B
and they do all these studies on which ones pollute more, and then there's the paper and plastic bag question.