B
Right.
A
Right.
B
And so you try to maybe follow those if you know you're going there, you don't want to dress too tacky because you're going to be in the same room with them.
A
Right. Well, and you always, course, it's a standing joke, you know, when the, when the men come in in a, a tie and a suit coat, you say, you know, what, have you got a job interview today or,
B
Or you're going --
A
there, there's,