B
-- big a deal.
A
I,
B
Uh, when I think of crime, I think of stuff that, that affects other people like people getting, you know, killed or raped. I think rape is one of the worst crimes.
A
Yeah, I think it is. I, in some ways, it's almost worse than murder.
B
Yeah, it's very degrading --
A
Uh, Murder, murder is, is hard on the people that were related to -- -- you know, I mean, it is a rather final solution, though.