B
That's right.
A
And so the kids in some ways are, are, are suffering a little bit, in that, uh, the model, the role models that get the, the, the family issues that get discussed,
B
Yeah.
A
and all these, I think are very important parts of them growing up,
B
Uh-huh.
A
so we, we try to, to do it as well as we can. We keep in close contact with grandparents and talk over the phone,