A
Well, that's exactly what I was going to say. Now there seem to be really three reasons for education. One is education for civic duty. One is education for economic reasons. And one is education for civilization. I mean and I think that one,
B
Well I'm glad that you added that one. Yeah, I think that one's significant.
A
That's what I used to think education was all about when I was a college professor and then I quit and got disabused of that notion. But, uh, the, uh, uh, now the only thing people seem to agree on is that education is, uh, an economic enterprise to train people for jobs. And, uh, I'm not sure that people in the education establishment really know what their purpose is. And I'm really sad to say this, I never thought I would have but I really think that, uh, the educational establishment has become part of the problem. And, uh, that's why I guess I'm sort of, reluctantly, uh, in favor of these, uh, choice programs.
B
Right. Well I, I g-, agree with everything that you've said so far and the only that I'd want to add is that I'm a little more in contact, I think, with public school teachers than perhaps you are, uh, except as a parent of your child and the sense that I get from public school teachers that I know is that they are very conscious of what they feel they should be doing and they are the three things that you mentioned. But they find that they are also being asked to do a bunch of other stuff which they think is only tangentially related --
A
Right. That's what,
B
-- like consumer,