A
Well that's wonderful.
B
-- and then if I have a, a meeting of people that I know, I can be very casual in the evening.
A
Well, my husband has to take the bus into Dallas, and doesn't return all day, so he has to dress, and he just really hates it, they have the long sleeve shirts and the whole tie and the whole suit, and even when his job is not going to be with people all day long, he said it's just part of the uniform and the expected image that they have to dress.
B
Yeah, that's, around here in a lot of places that's the way it is --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- I mean, there, there are ex, expected, uh, dress codes --