B
Yes.
A
-- on what does really happen. Yeah.
B
Of course, now, the jury may not be completely aware of all the ramifications of a sentence.
A
Uh-huh.
B
They may not know that if you give him twenty years he can get out in five.
A
Well, I think that's where a lot of people think, boy they're getting put away for a long time, but actually, their chance, course, when, a lot of times when they come up for parole, they're denied. It depends on --