A
-- and, um, I play softball once a week, which is kind of more recreation than exercise.
B
Uh-huh.
A
Because I really don't like to exercise, I think that's the basic point of it, is I'm not, I, I don't enjoy it --
B
Right.
A
-- if I know that it's exercise, but if it's like a social activity or a recreational activity, I don't mind --
B
Right.