A
Oh, yeah.
B
And the newer ones are, I guess the newer ones are real futuristic, too, but I like, I like both of them.
A
Yeah, I do too. I have a brother-in-law who really likes the old ones a lot, I mean, he almost hates the new ones.
B
Really?
A
Yeah, because he, he thinks the newer ones is like a soap opera and the other one isn't or something, but, I don't.
B
No. Not really. It's not really like --