B
You know particularly for some of these really, I mean, there are so many just major, major serial murders, it's not just like one instance, or something, it's just, uh, horrifying, some of the murders that go on.
A
The old Charles Manson case. I mean the guy is really,
B
Yeah, an, yeah, there's just everyday you hear on the news of another one like that.
A
just shouldn't be allowed to, to even, even live.
B
Yeah.
A
Uh, about the issue about sentencing by the judge.