B
Uh-huh.
A
I think maybe th-, a judge is a better judge of that or, uh,
B
Well, s-, sometimes the sentencing is still, is not fair. I mean even if, well the jury, I guess they do decide that but, but, I'm like you, in a case like that, most of the time its, I don't know, maybe I'm too, too, uh, uh, conservative when it comes to that. Th-, the sentencing is really light compared to what I think they should be in a lot of cases --
A
Yeah.
B
-- you know, uh,
A
Well if you drag twelve people into a courtroom, I trust them to make the right decision as to whether someone's guilty or innocent. That's usually a matter of who to believe and what facts to believe.