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to the matter, see.
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He, he refuted it, it just was not effective enough to ...
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Well, he didn't refute it til the last two weeks of the campaign. He didn't believe anybody would believe that. And indeed his trend started upward.
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Well that see, I, I didn't believe anybody would believe that either. I, I, I guess I
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Well, they do.
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have a hard time coming to terms with the, the fact that the American public really was, you know, so ...