B
Yeah, I, I've seen that just in the last, uh, even five years how much they've in, uh, increased in use. Or probably eight years, when I was a freshman in college --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- uh, my degree was in computer, uh, technology originally and it seemed like it would, they were just getting out with the, you know, the disks and all that, getting away with the cards,
A
Uh-huh.
B
you know, doing away with the, the programming cards --
A
Right.