B
And it was a, it was a traditional m-, the traditional battle of, kind of good versus evil, if you, you know --
A
Well you're not,
B
-- whichever way it is. But in, in the Vietnam war it seems like it was, a, a, the sides and the lines that were drawn are all confused as to who's good and who's bad and --
A
It's ambivalent, yeah.
B
-- and, uh, you know, the, even, it seems like even the people, you know, had the South Vietnamese, the North Vietnamese and, of course, the Laotians and the Cambodians weren't even supposed to be involved. But,
A
What, what about the domestic effects like I was thinking that maybe the most important effect it had was to make it, uh, possible and even popular to, uh, criticize the government. And they, that pendulum started to swing, uh, ma-, maybe even too far. To the point where, uh, uh, supporting a government decision in foreign policy was sort of optional --