A
Uh-huh.
B
-- and, uh, the rates that we keep paying seem to keep increasing, uh --
A
Yeah.
B
-- you know, I'm, I'm a little disturbed about that, but I think that's a national trend, and I don't know that, uh, I don't know what the solution is to it. It's bigger than just the benefits part.
A
Yeah, I don't know if you saw on TWENTY TWENTY the other night, they, uh, they basically reviewed Oregon's plan --
B
Uh-huh.