A
Yeah, I think it is. I, in some ways, it's almost worse than murder.
B
Yeah, it's very degrading --
A
Uh, Murder, murder is, is hard on the people that were related to -- -- you know, I mean, it is a rather final solution, though.
B
Yeah, right, once, once a person's, you know, gone, then it's, but the person that's been raped has to live with that the rest of their life, you know.
A
Yes. What, what do you think is, uh, is an appropriate, uh, punishment for some of the various, you know, such as, things such as rape or, or, uh, murder --
B
Well --