B
Um, I lived in Massachusetts for two years and they have a total ban on guns and I saw that, it didn't stop crime in that state.
A
Now was that just on handguns or was that on rifles?
B
Any, any kind of firearms.
A
Really?
B
Yeah. Uh, it's, there's was a mandatory jail sentence if you were caught, um, with a firearm and also I think there was a fine.
A
And that didn't help at all?