B
-- opera, but, but it's, but that's true, I mean, you, you learn more about the characters and stuff, but that's the way all shows are now.
A
Yeah, sure. Well, let's see. Um, I like to watch COLOMBO because it's like a mystery thing.
B
Yeah.
A
That's sort of how Matlock is, but COLOMBO is way tricky --
B
Yeah.
A
-- I mean he doesn't even try to let the person know he's getting onto them.