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who, or, who are not just motivated who really believe that their, they, their voice is heard. I mean, and the people that I have talked to ...
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Well maybe that is another factor, the motivational factor. The motivational factor is probably ...
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Right. I think that is the biggest one.
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I ...
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That's the biggest problem. I ...
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Well, that's diminished by, w-we have noticed this in particular. I, I'm just read two books, one of them is WHOSE STARS AND STRIPES NOW?