A
Um, um, that's sad. It really is.
B
Uh, so, you know, that's so changing, some of the changing roles of women in that respect, I have been a product of.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Um, I think that there are people that, I think that, uh, I was a-, I was first generation going to college in my family.
A
Uh-huh.
B
Uh, first, my mother had always had a quote career, but always a career as a, uh, uh, in a secretarial position. She did rise to the highest position that a woman could rise to in a secretarial pro-, profession in Des Moines, Iowa.