B
Yeah.
A
E D S is, oh, they're better, but they're a little bit too, um, stiff collared in terms of, you know, what you want to do. They're pretty much put the, if that's where the widget goes, stick it in the hole, you know.
B
Yeah.
A
They're kind of formula oriented.
B
Doesn't want to change.
A
Yeah, and, and you can't really argue with them because they've always been successful so,