B
-- as we think of, you know, as, as --
A
Uh-huh.
B
-- novices tend to think that, uh, attorneys care about justice.
A
Oh, yeah, I, I agree with it yeah. They will admit to you that they can-, don't have the benefit of being able to you know, of, of, letting, allowing themselves to believe their clients that are guilty --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- it's more of the game plan of how do they convince the judge or jury through argument.