A
-- b-, for the punishment aspect.
B
Yeah.
A
But the society is turned against punishment and more towards rehabilitation and --
B
Yeah. That,
A
-- maybe that's why, one of the reasons why crime has gone up, because it's not so scary anymore.
B
Yeah. Well, you know, especially like repeat offenders. It, it just appalls me that they can be out, you know, they even get a ten year sentence and be out in, in two, or three, or four years. You know, that's, that's scary because, you know, I'm not sure, I think we're paroling them without even knowing if they're, you know, going to be committing any more violent acts or not.