B
Well, at least it's maximum security, right.
A
Yeah. But, but the point that was, that it, you know, you said that perhaps, uh, people have given up the thought that rehabilitation's possible and, and I'm, I'm thinking that it's even to the point that the people in, that run the system have given up on it.
B
Uh, well, I, I think the people that run, yeah, that run the system are the most hardened and probably the most cynical, you know.
A
Uh.
B
I mean, I, uh, you know, I, I talked to a few people who worked in prisons and stuff and it's, uh, you can get pretty hardened, I'm sure.
A
But getting, I mean, well, see, I always have problems because, because I can never decide whether or not I'm, I'm supposed to be a conservative or, or a liberal but,