B
-- on death row, and that's, that's certainly no kind of deterrent, and I would tend to agree with anybody who says right now that it, it's not a terrent, a deterrent, because it's not.
A
No, it's not. You think of your chances of getting the death penalty after cre-, uh, committing a crime are really pretty slim right now. And you can,
B
Oh, yeah.
A
probably spend, uh, a lot of time, uh, or maybe eventually, uh, just waiting it out,
B
Uh-huh.
A
and that's where a lot of aggravation comes, I think, is, is, uh, these guys spend so much time in the appeal process or just in the waiting process,