A
Regardless of the racial makeup, but it's, it's real, uh, there's pockets of violence that is so violent that they, uh,
B
It just really grabs your attention.
A
Yeah.
B
It just makes the whole place seem like that.
A
Right. Now just to focus on that a minute, I guess, uh, uh, when, uh, previous secretary of, uh, educa-, Bennett, I think his name was,
B
Yeah.