A
Uh, well, actually I think in most criminal cases it wouldn't make any difference whether it was a couple of judges or jury. What, what I worry about is cases where it's the government against the individual. That's where you really need a jury of peers.
B
Well, that's true.
A
Because, uh, anytime th-, the government, uh, is the government against the individual you need som-, y-, you need the protection of ordinary citizens. I think that's really the only thing. I guess where I would like to see the system change is, uh, uh, there ought to be a, a well I guess I don't think that, uh, uh, juries need to decide sentencing all the time.
B
Uh-huh.
A
I think maybe th-, a judge is a better judge of that or, uh,
B
Well, s-, sometimes the sentencing is still, is not fair. I mean even if, well the jury, I guess they do decide that but, but, I'm like you, in a case like that, most of the time its, I don't know, maybe I'm too, too, uh, uh, conservative when it comes to that. Th-, the sentencing is really light compared to what I think they should be in a lot of cases --