A
Wow.
B
-- uh, at least that's one number for this range of numbers I have, I have heard.
A
Right.
B
Do you use them frequently or,
A
Well, we, uh, me and my wife, when, when we have like extra money that we know we're going to have, and we can put it in our budget, yeah, we'll, we'll use it. But like last year, I think we paid, I think it was like twenty something cents interest,
B
.