A
-- and, uh, that's what we went through. Uh, up to a point things seemed to be working, and then, uh, I think, he, he became discouraged --
B
Right.
A
-- and they did not know how to take care of that, and then, um, at that point I think it's mostly a psychological problem.
B
Oh.
A
And, uh, but, yes, I agree there's a lot of options. There could be a lot of options.
B
Uh-huh.