A
Uh-huh.
B
They may not know that if you give him twenty years he can get out in five.
A
Well, I think that's where a lot of people think, boy they're getting put away for a long time, but actually, their chance, course, when, a lot of times when they come up for parole, they're denied. It depends on --
B
Uh-huh.
A
-- you know, what they're, what they'd been guilty of, and a lot of different things, I guess.
B
Yeah, but too many times they, they are permitted to go out on parole and,